Lies, Damned Lies, and...

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lirvilas
23rd Nov 2015, 9:00 PM

If it seems like I have something in for The Donald, it's because I have no doubt that two generations ago people like Trump would have given people like me a cold choice: be locked up in a prison camp... or be used as cannon fodder.

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Stever
23rd Nov 2015, 10:41 PM

Even the best politician never verifies 3/5 of their facts. Maybe 3/10ths at most.

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MadJak91
23rd Nov 2015, 11:09 PM

Thing is even people here say the same thing.
How nothing bad is actually going on and you guys just overreact because the statistics "say" black people kill themselves the most...
And I have no idea how that mentality developed other than the usual anti-US drivel. I guess that.

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lirvilas
24th Nov 2015, 4:58 AM

It's one thing when it's your weird uncle blathering about their loosely-veiled racism, but Trump is a leading presidential candidate and he's straight up making shit up.

There's a higher standard for aspirants for that office.

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MadJak91
24th Nov 2015, 5:06 AM

I am not denying that though I should have mentioned that.
Agreed.

I know one black guy online (outside of CF now) and his message to me was much more colorful so I know what is up.
Why are you (general you) voting for these guys then? Why do they actually have a chance like this? Why do people not turn away after that tweet?
Though I guess this is a problem in general everywhere. Just saying.
Also not going further than this here even though I have much more to say.

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anonymous coward
25th Nov 2015, 6:59 AM

Subtle to put those, "Maybe three fifths," words in Trump's mouth. I'm not saying it's not a thing he'd think or say, but what a subtle allusion to the way black people used to be counted according to the Constitution.

@MadJak91: The reason why 'they have a chance' is the same as how Hitler's rise to power worked by calling Jewish people and other 'bestial' minorities and 'deviants' the problem with 1930s Germany. People are inherently programmed to identify, group together and act against 'enemies' in a pattern which might either be described as tribal violence, or cynical divide and conquer tactics. Which that should be called depends on whether the focus is on the poor people dumb enough to fall for it versus the would-be powerful people trying to profit from saying such things and setting people at war with each other. It's really easy to sell hate to people who're poor and desperate; and we know from adjusted inflation statistics about median and average wages that most of America's people are doing less well compared to thirty years ago in standard of living. The real reason they're poor is because of corporate downsizing and outsourcing getting rid of jobs for life that paid a good wage, but it's hard to stay angry at rich white people you wish you were when they've been sponsoring AM radio for decades to tell you that it's really black people's fault, and gay people's fault, and feminists' fault, and Mexicans' fault, and....

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lirvilas
25th Nov 2015, 12:39 PM

What that guy said.

Tona's always been the definition of "poor and desperate". How well she can be integrated into the America of tomorrow (which needs psycho mama grizzlies, believe it or not) could be seen as one of the Big Questions here.

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Clanjack Farlo
25th Nov 2015, 9:23 AM

this is the best ever seriously

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lirvilas
25th Nov 2015, 12:40 PM

Your spell check is screwing up your comments, CJ. I believe you meant to type #getbacktotheyomamajokes

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Clanjack Farlo
25th Nov 2015, 10:22 PM

If they're directed at Trump's mama, then yes.

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